1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 {\an5}This programme contains strong and discriminatory language and themes of child abuse 2 00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:18,160 Michael said, "Gavin, when you get out of the hospital, 3 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:21,920 "you come to Neverland Ranch and I will heal you." 4 00:01:21,960 --> 00:01:24,560 And then the Martin Bashir documentary 5 00:01:24,600 --> 00:01:27,120 caused a worldwide commotion. 6 00:01:27,160 --> 00:01:30,400 And then he finally said, "OK, if you love me, 7 00:01:30,440 --> 00:01:31,960 "you can sleep on the bed." 8 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:36,520 I was like "Oh, man!" So, I finally slept on the bed. 9 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:38,720 You got to give the devil his due. 10 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:42,040 Martin Bashir did an incredible job. 11 00:01:42,080 --> 00:01:45,600 Did that lead to the trial? You bet. 12 00:01:56,760 --> 00:01:58,760 People just can't stop talking about the interview 13 00:01:58,800 --> 00:02:00,160 with Michael Jackson, 14 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:03,880 a British documentary which aired in the US last night. 15 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:06,120 The man is 44 years old. 16 00:02:06,160 --> 00:02:08,480 {\an8}What in the hell is he doing sleeping in the bed 17 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:11,280 {\an8}with kids who are not his, who are not related? 18 00:02:11,320 --> 00:02:14,600 The Martin Bashir documentary drops, 19 00:02:14,640 --> 00:02:19,160 and it's like the paedophile heard round the world. 20 00:02:19,200 --> 00:02:23,560 For Michael Jackson, this was a nuclear bomb. 21 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:26,000 Why can't you share your bed? 22 00:02:26,040 --> 00:02:30,200 The most loving thing to do is to share your bed with someone. 23 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:32,640 - You really think that? - Yeah. 24 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:35,160 The media painted Michael to be a child molester, 25 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:39,560 and they replayed that Bashir clip probably one billion times. 26 00:02:39,600 --> 00:02:42,880 {\an8}Why are you holding the hand of a 13-year-old kid? 27 00:02:42,920 --> 00:02:44,720 You know if it was any one of us 28 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:46,560 and we were engaging in that kind of behaviour, 29 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:48,200 the cops would be all over us. 30 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:49,960 You would be cringing. 31 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:53,080 You would be cringing if your client got on national TV 32 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:55,200 and said words to the effect that he hosts 33 00:02:55,240 --> 00:02:57,080 sleep-over parties for small boys. 34 00:02:57,120 --> 00:02:59,840 {\an8}The media certainly felt that Michael was fair game 35 00:02:59,880 --> 00:03:02,400 {\an8}to go after anything and everything. He hated it. 36 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:20,320 It's a frenzy. 37 00:03:20,360 --> 00:03:23,160 My phone doesn't stop ringing with press people. 38 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:24,240 They want to talk. 39 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:26,840 You know, everybody wants to get a story going. 40 00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:30,360 I even get a phone call from a tabloid offering me 41 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:32,480 an incredible amount of money just to talk dirty. 42 00:03:32,520 --> 00:03:34,920 It's a PR meltdown. 43 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:38,680 There is tremendous pressure to get it all under control. 44 00:03:44,880 --> 00:03:48,400 Michael, great entertainer, big celebrity status. 45 00:03:51,320 --> 00:03:54,160 But he has a habit of tripping. 46 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:58,920 So, when this Bashir interview was released in the United States, 47 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:04,000 I get a call from my friend Frank, who's Michael Jackson's PR manager. 48 00:04:04,040 --> 00:04:06,880 He's like, "Come out to LA 49 00:04:06,920 --> 00:04:09,640 "and come out work on this damage control 50 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:11,680 "which is occurring right now." 51 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:17,040 Frank was very close to Michael, and I asked him, 52 00:04:17,080 --> 00:04:20,880 you know, "Before I leave and I take this job, 53 00:04:20,920 --> 00:04:22,640 "has Michael ever harmed a child?" 54 00:04:22,680 --> 00:04:27,800 And he says, "Vin, you know me. I am the closest person to him." 55 00:04:27,840 --> 00:04:30,920 And he said, "Never would happen." 56 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:32,600 So, I trusted Frank, 57 00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:35,200 and I made a decision to take the job. 58 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:42,200 The best thing that we could do to defend Michael Jackson 59 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:47,200 was to film our own documentary to get a really good rebuttal 60 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:49,760 to who Michael was and that he's a good person. 61 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:54,520 Michael Jackson take two is going to air on Fox February 20th. 62 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:57,200 {\an8}So then what do you think about Michael's version of this show 63 00:04:57,240 --> 00:04:59,080 {\an8}- that is going to come out, supposedly? - Positive spin. 64 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:01,800 {\an8}I mean, it'll help him, it'll help him, 65 00:05:01,840 --> 00:05:03,560 {\an8}but he said what he said. 66 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:05,320 For about a week to a week and half, 67 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:09,080 I was trying to line up all the press around the documentary. 68 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:12,640 The participation of the boy in the documentary, 69 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:17,280 Gavin Arvizo, is a key element in how it's all going to work. 70 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:21,280 So the idea is we're going to capture an interview 71 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:25,720 with the Arvizo family, to show that there hadn't been improper contact 72 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:29,240 or conduct between Michael Jackson and Gavin. 73 00:05:29,280 --> 00:05:32,960 It was essential to get this interview done 74 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:35,840 before the tabloids get a hold of this family. 75 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:48,480 My first task dealing with the Arvizo family 76 00:05:48,520 --> 00:05:51,600 was to go pick up the mother, Janet Arvizo, 77 00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:54,880 and bring her to Michael's videographer. 78 00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:56,880 She was very upset. 79 00:05:56,920 --> 00:05:59,360 She was complaining about the family, 80 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:02,720 and all their dreams are shattered now because of this. 81 00:06:06,400 --> 00:06:09,240 We started pretty late in the evening, 82 00:06:09,280 --> 00:06:12,840 and I talk the family through what we're going to be talking about, 83 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:14,480 basically just giving them a rundown that this is 84 00:06:14,520 --> 00:06:17,880 a total fluff interview. But we want you to be honest. 85 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:25,960 Very quiet. 86 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:27,720 And everybody settles. 87 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:34,080 The family is supposedly totally on board, 88 00:06:34,120 --> 00:06:37,520 but the mom won't start the interview 89 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:42,760 because I need signed model releases before we can do the interview. 90 00:06:45,280 --> 00:06:47,920 But she didn't want to sign the model releases. 91 00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:52,200 Why don't you sign a model release? Money. 92 00:06:52,240 --> 00:06:56,000 All right? So, is she worried that she's not going to get 93 00:06:56,040 --> 00:06:59,200 a piece of this if we sell this footage? 94 00:06:59,240 --> 00:07:02,040 And then suddenly she's on the phone with lawyers. 95 00:07:02,080 --> 00:07:07,560 At some point, someone tells Janet that it's OK for us to sign 96 00:07:07,600 --> 00:07:11,480 the model releases and to film the interview. 97 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:14,560 Wait, wait. You know how these Bashir... 98 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:19,080 Hey, you know how Bashir zoomed in on him holding hands? 99 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:20,800 Do that, the same thing. 100 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:25,120 - Because, you know... - Because that's what a mother does with a son. 101 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:27,560 Or a father does with a son. 102 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:31,640 You know, and they try to make it out to be something wrong 103 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:34,440 and dirty. So you can have that. 104 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:35,800 When I first met Michael, 105 00:07:35,840 --> 00:07:40,400 all I thought was he was a loving, kind, humble man. 106 00:07:40,440 --> 00:07:43,160 And all he wanted to do was good. 107 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:44,640 As I'm doing the interview, 108 00:07:44,680 --> 00:07:47,640 I really do feel like Gavin is very sincere. 109 00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:52,040 He treats me like he's my father. 110 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:56,240 He gives Gavin advice, and... 111 00:07:56,280 --> 00:08:01,840 Michael was exactly an answered prayer to my children and me. 112 00:08:01,880 --> 00:08:05,960 Michael is there for us. There for all three of them. 113 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:08,680 Janet's just over the top. 114 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:11,360 I dislike her immediately. 115 00:08:11,400 --> 00:08:14,800 Every door closed on us, and Michael said, 116 00:08:14,840 --> 00:08:17,160 "All my doors are open. 117 00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:22,640 "My home is your home, and your children, 118 00:08:22,680 --> 00:08:25,320 "I am like their father." 119 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:29,240 And his interactions with my children were all innocent, 120 00:08:29,280 --> 00:08:32,800 as a father interacts with his children. 121 00:08:32,840 --> 00:08:35,480 Where she really loses my credibility 122 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:38,720 is just how she suddenly adopted this idea 123 00:08:38,760 --> 00:08:41,480 that Michael is their real father. 124 00:08:41,520 --> 00:08:45,080 Either this mom is completely in love 125 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:47,120 with Michael Jackson, 126 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:52,200 or she's driven by the world of Michael Jackson possibilities. 127 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:55,680 It disturbed me greatly when I saw them 128 00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:58,640 and the innuendos he was making. 129 00:08:58,680 --> 00:09:01,320 They took a beautiful relationships... 130 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:06,680 Relationship that he has with Gavin and spun it out of control. 131 00:09:06,720 --> 00:09:08,720 We completed the interview, 132 00:09:08,760 --> 00:09:12,760 but then the director of photography would not give me the footage. 133 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:16,720 This interview was obviously very important, 134 00:09:16,760 --> 00:09:19,400 and he wanted Michael to pay him. 135 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:24,240 So, unfortunately, it never went into the Fox special. 136 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:25,840 It wasn't a good situation 137 00:09:25,880 --> 00:09:28,920 with tabloids hovering around everybody at the time. 138 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:32,400 I had a strong feeling that I didn't trust Janet. 139 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:36,760 So, I am absolutely worried that this is the type of person 140 00:09:36,800 --> 00:09:38,880 who might take money to say, 141 00:09:38,920 --> 00:09:40,720 "Michael Jackson molested my kid." 142 00:09:40,760 --> 00:09:42,960 Because there's a lot of money in that. 143 00:09:56,960 --> 00:09:59,200 I have very few friends, 144 00:09:59,240 --> 00:10:02,440 and the friends that are family to me 145 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:08,280 are because they have exhibited honesty, trustworthiness, love. 146 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:10,360 This video, I have never seen it. 147 00:10:10,400 --> 00:10:13,880 I don't know how you guys got all of this. 148 00:10:13,920 --> 00:10:17,480 And that is why we are very thankful 149 00:10:17,520 --> 00:10:20,000 and appreciate that Michael calls us family 150 00:10:20,040 --> 00:10:22,040 because he exhibits all that. 151 00:10:22,080 --> 00:10:26,920 And he gives these boys much direction, because 12 and 13, 152 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:29,000 they need a whole bunch of it. 153 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:32,480 So, what you're seeing in Janet here, 154 00:10:32,520 --> 00:10:36,600 she just truly wants this all to be true, 155 00:10:36,640 --> 00:10:39,800 because this is just a godsend that there would be 156 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:43,080 a male influence in her children's life who was kind and caring. 157 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:44,960 She says things very dramatically, 158 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:47,400 but Janet really feels what she's saying. 159 00:10:47,440 --> 00:10:49,800 I know her. That's what she feels. 160 00:10:49,840 --> 00:10:53,000 You know, she had been going through a lot of stuff. 161 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:54,480 She was getting a divorce. 162 00:10:54,520 --> 00:10:58,080 Gavin's father had been abusive to her and the kids. 163 00:10:58,120 --> 00:11:01,320 So, at this point, 164 00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:04,800 the idea that somebody this important would value her children 165 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:07,920 and parent them, that was meaningful to her. 166 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:11,600 Like, extraordinarily meaningful to her at the time. 167 00:11:11,640 --> 00:11:13,160 She craved it. 168 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:20,320 After the Martin Bashir documentary aired, 169 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:25,400 I became concerned. I start calling, their numbers are disconnected. 170 00:11:25,440 --> 00:11:27,600 I didn't know where she was. 171 00:11:27,640 --> 00:11:31,840 Clearly, they were at the centre of a hurricane. 172 00:11:31,880 --> 00:11:35,320 Anybody that had any kind of show would have wanted 173 00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:38,000 to talk to this family. 174 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:42,960 Michael Jackson's team would have wanted to keep them contained. 175 00:11:49,280 --> 00:11:51,560 OK, everybody, that two hour documentary 176 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:54,480 on Living with Michael Jackson is still making news. 177 00:11:54,520 --> 00:11:56,760 Michael Jackson's image has taken a brutal beating 178 00:11:56,800 --> 00:11:58,480 over the past few months, as you know. 179 00:11:58,520 --> 00:12:02,440 We love Michael, we love Michael. 180 00:12:02,480 --> 00:12:04,960 {\an1}CHEERING 181 00:12:06,520 --> 00:12:09,080 Among the madness of Bashir, 182 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:11,720 I get a phone call. "Hey, we're going to go to Gary, Indiana 183 00:12:11,760 --> 00:12:13,400 "and visit Michael's childhood home." 184 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:14,920 Any kind of distraction. 185 00:12:14,960 --> 00:12:17,480 Give them some new Michael Jackson stuff that was positive. 186 00:12:19,480 --> 00:12:23,160 I would like to officially, on behalf of the men and the women 187 00:12:23,200 --> 00:12:26,000 and the young people of the city of Gary, 188 00:12:26,040 --> 00:12:28,800 welcome back home Mr Michael Jackson. 189 00:12:28,840 --> 00:12:30,280 I am the biggest fan. 190 00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:32,920 Well, probably not the biggest, because there's a lot of them here. 191 00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:34,880 But I just love Michael Jackson. 192 00:12:34,920 --> 00:12:38,240 Just his persona, he loves children. 193 00:12:38,280 --> 00:12:40,560 In a good way he loves children. 194 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:44,280 He's a role model and I love him. 195 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:45,920 I originally thought we were going 196 00:12:45,960 --> 00:12:49,520 because he wanted to visit his hometown, 197 00:12:49,560 --> 00:12:51,600 but as it turns out, 198 00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:56,280 it was to capture footage of Michael's humble beginnings, 199 00:12:56,320 --> 00:12:58,840 because that was what the narrative was going to be. 200 00:12:58,880 --> 00:13:01,440 It was like going to be the sickly sweet, 201 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:03,960 you know, you know... Here comes the king. 202 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:06,360 You know, like, wah, wah. 203 00:13:06,400 --> 00:13:11,360 The management of Michael's image, that's the number one thing. 204 00:13:11,400 --> 00:13:14,560 When you saw Michael's childhood home, 205 00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:16,440 it was pretty rough. 206 00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:18,840 You know, we are talking a two... 207 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:22,160 A small two-room home where ten or 11 people lived. 208 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:24,520 Michael grew up in abject poverty, 209 00:13:24,560 --> 00:13:27,160 certainly in an age of discrimination, 210 00:13:27,200 --> 00:13:30,680 opportunities for black men and black families especially 211 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:34,800 were very limited. But the one thing that really affected him 212 00:13:34,840 --> 00:13:36,840 was his relationship with his father. 213 00:14:09,840 --> 00:14:11,720 I think the broken relationship 214 00:14:11,760 --> 00:14:14,080 between father and son was monumental. 215 00:14:16,040 --> 00:14:18,000 There were really like two Michael Jacksons. 216 00:14:18,040 --> 00:14:19,800 One needed love and validation, 217 00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:21,960 the other needed attention and celebrity. 218 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:26,800 I proudly present to you Mr Michael Jackson. 219 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:28,960 {\an1}CHEERING 220 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:31,640 Everything is already geared up like a machine. 221 00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:33,880 All this love. 222 00:14:33,920 --> 00:14:37,080 It's all orchestrated to get support from the fans, 223 00:14:37,120 --> 00:14:40,240 you know, because they would defend him no matter what. 224 00:14:40,280 --> 00:14:43,680 The Gary Community School Corporation welcomes home 225 00:14:43,720 --> 00:14:46,600 the King of Pop, Michael Jackson. 226 00:14:50,760 --> 00:14:53,440 The intrigue surrounding Michael Jackson continues tonight. 227 00:14:53,480 --> 00:14:56,480 Would you let your son or daughter stay over at Neverland? 228 00:14:56,520 --> 00:14:58,960 {\an8}No, and I can't understand why these other boys' parents 229 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:00,280 {\an8}allowed them to either. 230 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:03,400 {\an8}I believe that Child Welfare Services should interview 231 00:15:03,440 --> 00:15:05,560 {\an8}every child that has been at Neverland 232 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:07,760 {\an8}with Mr Jackson in his bedroom. 233 00:15:07,800 --> 00:15:11,960 The tabloids are still foaming at the mouth. 234 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:15,480 And there was a sense that you want to keep Janet Arvizo, 235 00:15:15,520 --> 00:15:19,680 who seems like a bit of a live wire, as far away from tabloids 236 00:15:19,720 --> 00:15:22,280 and people with cheques as possible. 237 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:29,640 The Arvizo family is surrounded by handlers. 238 00:15:31,480 --> 00:15:35,880 They're getting carted around by people inside the Jackson team, 239 00:15:35,920 --> 00:15:39,880 and there is a controlled element of making sure they don't talk 240 00:15:39,920 --> 00:15:42,160 to people that they shouldn't be talking to. 241 00:15:48,040 --> 00:15:50,680 I would bring Janet and the kids back and forth 242 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:53,880 between the Neverland Ranch and LA. 243 00:15:53,920 --> 00:15:57,320 I was told to spend my time with assisting Janet Arvizo 244 00:15:57,360 --> 00:15:59,640 on whatever needed to get done. 245 00:16:05,240 --> 00:16:07,560 I drove her all over the place. 246 00:16:10,320 --> 00:16:13,800 The Arvizos are OK with it at first, 247 00:16:13,840 --> 00:16:15,560 but slowly they start to, you know, 248 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:18,360 become resentful of being controlled. 249 00:16:18,400 --> 00:16:23,000 "No, no, no, you don't go get your groceries, we'll do it with you." 250 00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:29,120 And then I was told that Vinnie was going to help them move. 251 00:16:31,240 --> 00:16:34,320 And I go, "Why? Do they want to move?" 252 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:37,160 "Well, we need a better location." 253 00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:38,360 "We? Who's we?" 254 00:16:38,400 --> 00:16:41,640 You know, so this is... This is curious language. 255 00:16:43,800 --> 00:16:48,400 The Arvizo family were getting a lot of pressure from the press, 256 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:51,960 and there was a need for a place where they can stay, 257 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:53,800 where they can feel safe. 258 00:16:53,840 --> 00:16:58,960 There was also a lot of talk about taking the family on a vacation. 259 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:02,040 Vinnie was running around getting passport photos, 260 00:17:02,080 --> 00:17:04,600 and I thought that was probably a really smart idea as well. 261 00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:08,760 And to make sure that this family is off in Mars, 262 00:17:08,800 --> 00:17:12,320 as far away from the press and the tabloids as possible. 263 00:17:20,560 --> 00:17:23,920 I'm being asked, "Wouldn't you like to go to Brazil?" 264 00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:25,600 I'm like, "No." 265 00:17:25,640 --> 00:17:28,840 Why is the family being coaxed to go to Brazil? 266 00:17:28,880 --> 00:17:31,440 There is this plan that's going on. 267 00:17:31,480 --> 00:17:35,200 But who's the guy behind the curtain in The Wizard of Oz? 268 00:17:35,240 --> 00:17:39,760 Nothing's going to get done without Michael's approval. 269 00:17:39,800 --> 00:17:41,560 He knows what's going on. 270 00:17:45,800 --> 00:17:48,680 {\an1}PHONE RINGS 271 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:58,000 One day, I get a frantic phone call from Janet, 272 00:17:58,040 --> 00:18:01,080 who is being kept somewhere and whispering. 273 00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:03,840 She was panicky. 274 00:18:03,880 --> 00:18:08,520 She wants me to come to where she is and get her and the kids 275 00:18:08,560 --> 00:18:11,160 and bring them back to my house. 276 00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:13,240 She sounded desperate, 277 00:18:13,280 --> 00:18:16,560 and I felt her panic for her own children. 278 00:18:19,400 --> 00:18:22,600 She felt they were keeping her family at Neverland, 279 00:18:22,640 --> 00:18:25,800 and that they were going to send them to Brazil 280 00:18:25,840 --> 00:18:28,240 and make the family disappear. 281 00:18:29,440 --> 00:18:32,480 And it's not like you can call the police and say, 282 00:18:32,520 --> 00:18:37,680 "You know, I think there's a family being held against their will 283 00:18:37,720 --> 00:18:40,160 "by Michael Jackson." 284 00:18:40,200 --> 00:18:44,400 I don't know if that's a 911 call that's going to be put through. 285 00:18:44,440 --> 00:18:49,000 I had extended to her, you know, call me in 24 hours, 286 00:18:49,040 --> 00:18:53,920 and then I would have better resources in place. 287 00:18:55,320 --> 00:18:56,760 And she never called. 288 00:19:08,080 --> 00:19:12,520 When I became involved with Janet and her family, 289 00:19:12,560 --> 00:19:14,360 they were allowed to go anywhere they wanted, 290 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:16,360 and I would take them wherever they wanted. 291 00:19:18,240 --> 00:19:22,440 One day, she said, "Please bring my children down 292 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:27,040 "to their grandparents' house. My mother is sick." 293 00:19:27,080 --> 00:19:30,040 I didn't think anything of it. 294 00:19:30,080 --> 00:19:33,000 After that day, we hadn't heard from them. 295 00:19:34,560 --> 00:19:35,680 They were done with us 296 00:19:35,720 --> 00:19:39,760 and we were finished working with them and that was it. 297 00:19:39,800 --> 00:19:44,600 They could leave any time, any... Any day. 298 00:19:52,120 --> 00:19:56,400 When I finally heard from Janet, she told me about the danger 299 00:19:56,440 --> 00:20:02,240 that she felt had been visited upon her family. 300 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:05,960 They had been kept at Neverland for three weeks or so. 301 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:09,360 And when Janet got her kids home, 302 00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:11,880 they were not behaving normally. 303 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:16,360 Janet spoke to a lawyer. 304 00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:20,280 He heard enough and saw these boys and thought, 305 00:20:20,320 --> 00:20:24,160 I don't like the way this is sounding at all. 306 00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:27,760 I told Michael, "Don't work with kids. Work with their parents. 307 00:20:27,800 --> 00:20:29,680 "It's their parents that are supposed to be leading them. 308 00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:32,720 "You are not the child's messiah." 309 00:20:57,640 --> 00:21:03,600 {\an8}In 2003, I was a senior prosecutor in the district attorney's office. 310 00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:07,960 I was the supervisor of the vulnerable victims unit. 311 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:11,800 One morning, I got called in by the district attorney 312 00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:13,840 and he handed me a two-page report. 313 00:21:13,880 --> 00:21:16,360 And I'm looking at it, and it seems to be kind of 314 00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:20,200 the ordinary preamble that you see in these investigations. 315 00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:23,080 And I don't understand why I'm sitting there looking at this thing. 316 00:21:23,120 --> 00:21:25,800 It's like dozens of other cases I've looked at. 317 00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:28,320 And then I look at the top that has the name. 318 00:21:28,360 --> 00:21:30,240 I never went to the name, 319 00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:33,200 and the name was Michael Joe Jackson. 320 00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:36,520 The Sheriff's office in Santa Barbara County had started 321 00:21:36,560 --> 00:21:40,040 an investigation into allegations made by Gavin. 322 00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:51,040 You just sit right there, buddy. 323 00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:53,880 Gavin, can you tell us what your conversations... 324 00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:55,520 What you guys talked about? 325 00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:30,000 Gavin talking about alcohol use was a grooming situation. 326 00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:37,120 In that interview, he exhibited to me the typical, if you will, 327 00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:41,480 demeanour of somebody that's been abused. 328 00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:44,680 You know, the shying away from the questions, 329 00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:46,960 not wanting to talk about anything. 330 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:49,680 Keeping himself closed up during the interview. 331 00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:08,000 He wanted to show you how to masturbate? 332 00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:09,200 OK. 333 00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:16,200 OK. 334 00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:19,560 And did he do it for you? 335 00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:29,360 Go ahead, Gavin, it's fine. 336 00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:35,720 Did he put it on the outside? 337 00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:38,480 Inside. And what did he do next? 338 00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:43,320 OK. 339 00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:51,240 Did he stop? 340 00:23:56,960 --> 00:24:02,120 Having to publicly talk about sexual abuse is not an easy thing. 341 00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:04,880 But he was courageous. 342 00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:09,120 I had complete faith in everything Gavin was saying 343 00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:13,640 and there was never a question in my mind as to the honesty 344 00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:16,880 or accuracy of his statements, never. 345 00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:21,360 But I knew we were going after an international superstar, 346 00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:23,720 and that changes the equation. 347 00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:26,560 That was the part that was the unknown for all of us. 348 00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:14,280 There are surprising developments at the home of Michael Jackson. 349 00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:16,600 Authorities are serving a secret search warrant 350 00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:19,240 at his ranch near Santa Barbara, California. 351 00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:22,720 Although there is no official word as to the nature of the warrant, 352 00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:25,640 a number of news outlets are reporting that the search is tied 353 00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:30,280 to allegations from a 12-year-old boy that he was molested by Jackson. 354 00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:31,960 I was watching CNN, 355 00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:37,320 and I saw all of these police entering the gates of Neverland. 356 00:25:37,360 --> 00:25:40,680 Investigators have swarmed Jackson's Neverland ranch. 357 00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:42,840 Target Neverland is under way. 358 00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:45,400 I picked up the phone and I called Michael. 359 00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:50,920 {\an8}He was in Las Vegas, and I said, "Mr Jackson, are you OK?" 360 00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:53,080 {\an8}And he says, "Yeah, why?" 361 00:25:53,120 --> 00:25:55,960 I said, "They're raiding Neverland." He says, "What?!" 362 00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:58,880 I said, "Turn on CNN. You'll see it there. 363 00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:01,560 "It's live. They're raiding Neverland." 364 00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:06,520 Michael was really shocked, 365 00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:08,680 and I had never seen anything like it. 366 00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:13,920 I mean, the gate of Neverland is a good mile from the house, 367 00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:16,760 and here is this stream of cars 368 00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:20,800 and to me it's just abuse. It's harassment. 369 00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:22,920 The media has set up camp out here. 370 00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:25,720 We're told as many as 60 investigators are inside 371 00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:27,720 at this point searching the ranch. 372 00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:30,520 It was a very large operation. 373 00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:35,680 I was a newly promoted detective, 374 00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:39,840 {\an8}I was a big Michael Jackson fan as a teenager. 375 00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:44,160 When Michael Jackson would come out to perform, 376 00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:48,920 you can imagine teenage girls screaming at the top of their lungs. 377 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:50,880 That's what we were doing. 378 00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:54,200 When I was told about the allegations against Michael Jackson, 379 00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:56,520 I was kind of surprised. 380 00:26:56,560 --> 00:27:01,120 I was assigned to search the main residence. 381 00:27:03,360 --> 00:27:04,720 How are you doing? 382 00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:06,520 Sheriff's department. We have a search warrant. 383 00:27:10,360 --> 00:27:13,360 To me, Michael Jackson was just another celebrity. 384 00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:15,120 When you are dealing with celebrities, 385 00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:17,280 you have accusations that are made, 386 00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:20,240 and you have to take those accusations with a grain of salt. 387 00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:22,240 You have to do your investigation. 388 00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:30,280 - Whose office is this? - That's his office. 389 00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:32,440 This is Michael's? OK. 390 00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:35,120 Does he have anything else? 391 00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:41,840 Michael Jackson's mansion was like no other house I've ever seen. 392 00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:46,440 There was just so much stuff everywhere. 393 00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:48,040 This is his area right in here. 394 00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:50,240 So, this is the way we have to go right now. 395 00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:54,280 Here's the code to get in. And that is... 396 00:27:56,880 --> 00:28:00,600 My assignment was going to be going into Michael Jackson's bedroom. 397 00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:03,880 Somebody said now he's moved upstairs rather than down here. 398 00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:05,520 So, we'll also have to check. 399 00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:07,560 Let's just secure everything right now. 400 00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:12,200 Gavin had disclosed that there would be a briefcase 401 00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:17,640 with pornographic magazines that were used by Michael 402 00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:23,760 to provoke an arousal. Those items we refer to as grooming materials. 403 00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:32,160 My job was to do the library. 404 00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:35,520 First thing that caught my attention was it was all cluttered with boxes 405 00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:38,520 of books on the floor. 406 00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:42,040 The books I remember seizing were books 407 00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:44,280 of children posing in their underwear. 408 00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:47,960 In and of themselves are not child pornography. 409 00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:52,240 They weren't posing together in sexual acts or anything like that. 410 00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:55,400 But based on the investigations I'd done in the past, 411 00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:59,680 to me, those were grooming books. You know, we'd found books like that 412 00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:00,960 in other situations. 413 00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:06,400 I thought they said search behind the jukebox. 414 00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:11,480 We also found a pair of underwear briefs stuffed in a box. 415 00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:16,200 They were either a very small adult or children's briefs. 416 00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:21,720 We asked the housekeeper, "Where's the bedroom?" 417 00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:26,000 That's when we were told no-one was permitted into his bedroom, 418 00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:28,200 and nobody had a key for his bedroom. 419 00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:38,840 We were able to make entry. 420 00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:44,760 And when we walked in, it was a mess. 421 00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:49,520 Papers, clothes covering the whole floor. 422 00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:55,600 I found some pepperoni sausages that were just thrown in there. 423 00:29:56,880 --> 00:30:00,600 I remember thinking, "Oh, my gosh, this is filthy." 424 00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:03,200 Drawers weren't closed right. 425 00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:06,000 You know, I'm sure everyone has a junk drawer. 426 00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:10,120 There were a lot of junk drawers, if you would, 427 00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:12,880 just stuff thrown all over. 428 00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:21,320 In the area where the grand piano was, that's where I located 429 00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:26,400 a briefcase. Opened it up, and there were some magazines 430 00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:29,280 with the pornographic materials in them. 431 00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:32,680 So that was a significant item, 432 00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:35,640 because it supported what Gavin said. 433 00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:41,880 You know in that moment, your whole point of the investigation 434 00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:44,320 is to seek the truth. 435 00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:47,600 When you talk about an innocent child who has been 436 00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:51,680 taken advantage of, that is going to stir anger in anyone, 437 00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:52,920 and... 438 00:30:56,880 --> 00:31:01,080 ..I think that Gavin was very courageous to be able 439 00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:05,000 to come forward and say what happened. 440 00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:11,160 First piece, item, seems like a piece of luggage. 441 00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:13,080 Black leather type of material. 442 00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:17,800 There were several items taken away as evidence. 443 00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:22,800 - Bag. Sheriff's department. - OK. This is a jewellery box. 444 00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:27,280 The calibre of this investigation really hit me, 445 00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:32,240 of, oh, my, this is Michael Jackson. 446 00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:36,360 There's definitely the feeling, even now, 447 00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:39,480 of the intensity of the investigation. 448 00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:45,000 So, it's just all surfacing that emotion again. 449 00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:56,600 I wasn't expecting any emotion, to be honest with you. 450 00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:10,240 Throughout the night, the search continued. 451 00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:13,240 Patrol cars gliding past banks of reporters, 452 00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:14,680 camera lights illuminating 453 00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:17,760 the perimeter of the 3,000-acre estate. 454 00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:21,520 When we heard about the raid on Neverland, 455 00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:26,560 I'm in my childhood bedroom watching my black and white TV. 456 00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:28,320 Let's just bring people up-to-date real quick. 457 00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:32,240 The allegations were reportedly made by a 12-year-old cancer victim, 458 00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:36,280 who said that Jackson gave him booze and pills at Neverland Ranch. 459 00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:42,680 I just, I couldn't believe it was Gavin. 460 00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:45,400 I just was devastated. 461 00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:48,360 Tonight, Jackson is wanted by police. 462 00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:51,840 California authorities announced an arrest warrant today 463 00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:54,200 accusing Jackson, aged 45, 464 00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:57,720 of multiple felony counts of child molestation. 465 00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:02,080 CBS news has learned that Michael Jackson will turn himself in 466 00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:06,000 to authorities in Santa Barbara today. 467 00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:08,360 We briefly interrupt your programming. 468 00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:11,480 Pop star Michael Jackson has surrendered to authorities 469 00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:15,040 in Santa Barbara, California, after landing just a few moments ago 470 00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:16,720 at the Santa Barabara airport. 471 00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:19,800 He is now en route to the Santa Barbara jail 472 00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:23,120 where he is about to be booked and processed. 473 00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:29,080 The media circus, it is in full swing. 474 00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:31,680 Reporters, cameras and helicopters have been chasing 475 00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:34,000 the Jackson story around Southern California. 476 00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:36,040 Michael Jackson under arrest. 477 00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:38,560 It is the shot seen round the world. 478 00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:40,480 Fingerprinted and photographed, 479 00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:43,320 Michael Jackson like you've never seen him before. 480 00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:46,440 His lawyer says Jackson is innocent and outraged. 481 00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:52,440 I was shocked. Michael called me from the jail. 482 00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:56,280 He says, "Can you believe this? I've done nothing wrong, 483 00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:59,680 "and they have me all over the news." 484 00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:05,000 Well, I said, "You know, you just be you and you do what you need to do. 485 00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:07,840 "Don't be afraid to defend yourself." 486 00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:12,760 He's come back specifically to confront these charges head on. 487 00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:14,480 But I'm here to tell you today, 488 00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:17,240 and Michael has given me the authority to say on his behalf, 489 00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:20,960 these charges are categorically untrue. Thank you very much. 490 00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:29,240 When I asked him point blank, "What is this about? Who are these people? 491 00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:30,400 "Did you do this?" 492 00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:35,520 And I saw just how strong, 493 00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:39,760 and how the conviction 494 00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:43,840 of his speaking to me, 495 00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:47,600 I knew he was innocent. I knew it. 496 00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:50,840 After he was processed, he snuck out the back door. 497 00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:54,240 Through it all, the fading King of Pop still manages to wave 498 00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:56,960 and flash the victory sign. 499 00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:03,880 He went right from the jail to the airport. 500 00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:06,680 The same plane he flew in on, he flew out on. 501 00:35:06,720 --> 00:35:10,200 And now Fox has confirmed he is now back in Las Vegas. 502 00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:16,400 At this point in time, 503 00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:19,840 the Arvizo family were in an apartment in West LA. 504 00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:22,000 They're very isolated over there, 505 00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:24,320 the children are not going to school, 506 00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:26,640 and so I began visiting. 507 00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:29,560 Gavin was a different person. 508 00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:35,680 He was very different, he was subdued, 509 00:35:35,720 --> 00:35:40,920 and his way of letting me know 510 00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:48,560 that what he was saying was true, 511 00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:53,560 in his 14-year-old way, was to say, 512 00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:56,880 "He got me drunk. I was drunk." 513 00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:07,480 It seemed like how a 14-year-old would tell you this happened, 514 00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:09,800 because I wasn't in my right mind 515 00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:12,880 and I don't want you to think any less of me. 516 00:36:15,720 --> 00:36:17,640 It was just devastating. 517 00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:26,680 I did not believe in any way that Michael was even capable 518 00:36:26,720 --> 00:36:28,880 of doing something like this. 519 00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:31,280 I loved this family. 520 00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:34,200 And by extension, loved him. 521 00:36:34,240 --> 00:36:37,320 There had been allegations against him in his past 522 00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:40,280 with a boy, Jordan Chandler, but they went away. 523 00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:43,000 This isn't the first time Jackson has been accused 524 00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:44,280 of child molestation. 525 00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:47,560 Ten years ago, Jackson had been accused of molesting another child 526 00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:50,080 but the case was settled out of court. 527 00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:54,000 This time, because the Bashir documentary was fresh 528 00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:55,640 in everybody's mind, 529 00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:59,960 and what stood out was that boy. 530 00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:03,200 Michael was being so affectionate with him. 531 00:37:03,240 --> 00:37:06,360 You had to know that they were going to go all the way 532 00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:10,480 with this one, that he's going to have to face the music in court. 533 00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:14,880 All of this is going on, and I'm still like, 534 00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:18,160 "OK, we got to give Michael the benefit of the doubt." 535 00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:21,920 We just want to let Michael Jackson know that he has got friends here 536 00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:23,000 in Santa Barbara. 537 00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:27,080 I will never believe it. It's just impossible. 538 00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:28,520 MJ would never hurt a child. 539 00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:30,600 MJ is the kindest person in the world. 540 00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:47,240 Michael Jackson, after his booking, 541 00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:51,840 made an allegation to the press that he had been physically harmed 542 00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:54,680 by somebody in the sheriff's department. 543 00:37:54,720 --> 00:37:57,000 They manhandled me very roughly. 544 00:37:57,040 --> 00:38:00,600 My shoulder is dislocated, literally. 545 00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:03,880 It was a pure fabrication. Completely made up. 546 00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:06,800 It's hurting me very badly. I'm in pain all the time. 547 00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:10,160 This is, see this arm, this as far as I could reach it. 548 00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:11,880 Same with this side over here. 549 00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:14,440 Because of what happened at the police station? 550 00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:15,960 Yeah, at the police station. 551 00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:18,040 There was an investigation that was done, 552 00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:21,240 and there was no evidence that there had been 553 00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:23,040 any kind of harm that was done. 554 00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:26,760 If you saw what they did to my arms... 555 00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:34,080 It was very bad what they did. 556 00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:37,040 I just remember thinking how absurd it was, 557 00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:39,880 and I thought, who in the world would believe it? 558 00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:42,760 But apparently there are. I mean, if you are a believer 559 00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:44,960 of Michael Jackson, you'll believe what he says, 560 00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:47,480 and doesn't matter how preposterous it is. 561 00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:51,080 Before I would hurt a child, I would slit my wrists. 562 00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:54,480 I would never hurt a child. This is totally false. 563 00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:55,800 I was outraged. 564 00:38:57,080 --> 00:38:59,320 I could never do something like that. 565 00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:01,640 Michael's biggest attribute, 566 00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:06,800 he could make you feel, like, so sorry for him. 567 00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:09,240 What time is it? 568 00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:12,800 Because I am hurting. I don't feel good. 569 00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:15,560 He had this aura about him, 570 00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:20,880 this, where I know when I've been in his presence, 571 00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:25,560 I've felt like, oh, boy. You know, people should leave Michael alone. 572 00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:42,560 You got a bunch of racists, I'm sorry, racist rednecks out there 573 00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:44,160 who don't care about people. 574 00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:45,640 We are a family. 575 00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:48,440 My mother is very angry. We are all angry, 576 00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:50,720 and we are going to put our soldiers and generals together 577 00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:53,280 and prepare for war. That's what this is. 578 00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:56,680 When Jermaine came out and called it a modern-day lynching, 579 00:39:56,720 --> 00:39:59,080 in the moment, I thought, that's a stretch. 580 00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:01,640 It was just to get attention. 581 00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:07,280 It was just to try and galvanise, particularly, black America, 582 00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:10,920 because when you mention lynching, 583 00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:13,040 it's going to hit here, 584 00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:16,600 and that's exactly what he wanted you to feel. 585 00:40:57,400 --> 00:41:01,200 The latest bombshell in the Michael Jackson case centres around 586 00:41:01,240 --> 00:41:03,240 Jackon's closest business associates 587 00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:06,200 and whether of not they were behind a plot to abduct 588 00:41:06,240 --> 00:41:09,640 and silence the accuser and his family. 589 00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:14,040 ABC news has learned that prosecutors are focused on two men, 590 00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:19,400 Vinny Amen and Frank Tyson, both long-time Jackson associates. 591 00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:21,840 According to sources familiar with the case, 592 00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:25,040 Amen and Tyson are being accused of using pressure tactics 593 00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:27,880 to try and silence the alleged victim's family. 594 00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:30,120 Kidnapping and hostage, 595 00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:33,400 it is horrible, devastating. 596 00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:34,880 It was wrong. 597 00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:37,280 They went too far with that word. 598 00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:42,760 And when it came out, the media said, 599 00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:46,160 well, they can just file an arrest warrant right on the fly 600 00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:50,160 in California. I mean, I was scared. I was 22 years old. 601 00:41:57,200 --> 00:42:00,320 We included a conspiracy to commit kidnapping, 602 00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:04,360 because in a conspiracy you can put in a lot of information 603 00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:07,000 that paints a very compelling story. 604 00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:11,080 The conspiracy to commit kidnapping was the efforts that Jackson 605 00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:14,040 and his crew were making to remove the family 606 00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:17,520 from the state of California and from the United States, 607 00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:21,400 to take them down to Brazil where they could not be discovered 608 00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:24,320 by police, by law enforcement or by the press. 609 00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:33,200 When someone asks me how I feel, it couldn't get worse. 610 00:42:33,240 --> 00:42:35,880 It just kept getting worse, worse, worse, worse, worse. 611 00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:39,720 Steve Robel from the Santa Barbara's Sheriff's department, 612 00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:43,600 he wanted to ask us questions. He left voicemails for us. 613 00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:11,400 They were a little threatening. 614 00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:14,760 They were basically like, jump on board or we may file 615 00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:16,160 additional charges. 616 00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:20,760 We were worried that maybe we would get searched. 617 00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:23,960 Frank and I decided that we were going to bring to an attorney 618 00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:29,120 any business items we had that were associated with Michael Jackson. 619 00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:32,480 So, Frank handed me a bag. 620 00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:34,280 Ends up, I take it back to my house 621 00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:37,160 because there was something suspicious that I didn't like, 622 00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:44,160 and when I opened up the bag, I found this magazine. 623 00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:50,160 It was a naturalist magazine with a video ordering section 624 00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:51,400 that had naked kids in it, 625 00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:54,640 and there were circles around the videos, to be ordered. 626 00:43:57,440 --> 00:44:01,000 That was just a devastating blow for me. 627 00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:04,000 That was just a psychological hit that I never... 628 00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:09,200 Now I see how this case is going, and all of a sudden, I see that, 629 00:44:09,240 --> 00:44:14,160 and I came to a conclusion that everything has been lied to me. 630 00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:19,320 Now this is the realm of sexual abuse of children. 631 00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:25,520 Now it became very real to me, 632 00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:30,280 and it became very real that Frank knew about what's going on 633 00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:33,040 and he's not coming forward. 634 00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:44,160 I know Frank was manipulated, 635 00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:46,920 but being associated with Michael Jackson 636 00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:50,040 who was victimising children, 637 00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:52,320 it's like a wound that opens up, 638 00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:56,440 and then when you open that wound it affects you psychologically. 639 00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:58,480 So, I guess I have done a lot of work on it 640 00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:00,280 to heal that wound, 641 00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:03,640 but I think it will always affect me. 642 00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:12,200 I've had years of healing, 643 00:45:12,240 --> 00:45:14,960 but, you know, it still hurts. 644 00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:20,080 If Michael was actually committing sex abuse against children, 645 00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:22,440 he needs to be brought to justice. 646 00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:34,200 This is just the start of what's likely to be 647 00:45:34,240 --> 00:45:36,160 a very public and dirty war. 648 00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:38,520 We're certainly poised for the trial of the century. 649 00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:40,960 He is fighting these molestation charges. 650 00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:43,040 Michael innocent, Michael's innocent. 651 00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:46,360 I think Michael Jackson is fighting for his life right now. 652 00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:48,760 Five counts of child molestation, 653 00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:51,800 four counts of supplying a minor with alcohol, 654 00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:54,600 one count of conspiracy for false imprisonment. 655 00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:57,720 If he is guilty on all those charges, then he will face 656 00:45:57,760 --> 00:46:00,920 a maximum of 18 years and eight months in prison.